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Death Battle! The Invincible Metal Sonic?

1/18/2012

Anyone who witnessed the Robotnik vs Wily Death Battle! match can tell you that calling Metal Sonic "Robotnik's MVP" would be an understatement. To sum it up, none of the participants even stood much of a snowball's chance in hell against the almost godly speed and power depicted for the Metalic Doppelganger. But my intuition tells me something is amiss from the Death Battle! generalized depiction. While I have already gone over very basic technical errors in the Death Battle! match, I did not yet address some of the overarching generalizations and themes in the match up. Metal Sonic and his questionable superiority over everyone is the star focus for this editorial review.

The Numbers Don't Seem to Support it

DeathBattle's goof. As for the actual numbers:
Max Output: 55ps X 6800rpm
Max Torque: 7.54kg/m X 4000rpm

It's interesting that while surfing around for Sonic information, Metal Sonic is the only mechanized entity I have found on Robotnik's side to have stats on his mechanical output. Ben did this work as well, though somehow they missed a whole hundreds place on things. So correcting with numbers as given from the Sega Channel, we have a benchmark for Metal Sonic's prowess. So how do these numbers actually compare to the Boss Robots?

From the Rockman Great Diagram Book
Max Output: 1500ps X 1200rpm
Max Torque: 220kg/m X 8500rpm

Fortunately, the Rockman Series has a benchmark for which to base our estimates. Found in various Rockman reference guides, Rockman's motor outputs are regularly given. While these are not the Boss Robot's stats, it is safe to assume most if not all the Boss Robots have a higher output than Rockman, based on their in game feats in comparison to Rock's. So pulling Rockman's Max Output and Max Torque values, and calculating for an integer total value for both him and Metal Sonic, we can see how they stack up with each other. Time to put the two head to head.

All that torque still wasn't enough.

So in terms of energy output, Rockman is producing 5 TIMES what Metal Sonic produces. And in terms of physical power, Rockman can move 62 TIMES more than what Metal Sonic can move. And I will repeat again, the Boss Robots actually exceed Rockman's values quite a bit. So, does it seem odd that Death Battle! would depicted Boss Robots felling to single strikes from Metal Sonic from the very beginning? Not saying that Metal Sonic can't win a fight against a Boss Robot, but it doesn't seem likely it would be so heavily one sided. Especially against the physical prowess of machines that regularly takes in hits that are at least 50 times more powerful.
(*Article segment corrections made thanks to #20, who was less lazy and attentive than I was)

Scanning for What's Not There?

No godly energy source found.

I had touched on the subject of scanning before, but I think it would be good to over another aspect of this. As the Death Battle! went, Metal Sonic supposedly gained power from scanning the boss robots that he defeated. Even if you are wiling to ignore major technical difference between machines and living things I had previously mentioned, it still doesn't explain where this "energy" Metal Sonic seems to be gaining. Sure, from the before mentioned point, the Boss robots do have far higher outputs than what Metal Sonic can muster. But do any of them seem to posses the "unlockable potential" to produce a super form like the Metal Overlord transformation?

With Dark Ring Power

To best understand where I'm coming from, let's review the two official times Metal Sonic did a major large scale massive transformation. In Knuckles' Chaotix, Metal Sonic accomplished his change into the Metal Sonic Kai form through the absorption of a Dark Ring. A Dark Ring is said to be the corrupted form of a Chaos Ring, which are artifacts infused with a potent amount of Chaos Energy. Basically, he transformed thanks to obtaining an abundant supply of Chaos Energy.

With abundant metabolic DNA

In Sonic Heroes, Metal Sonic finally gains his ability to form the Metal Madness and Metal Overlord forms after he had successfully scanned the DNA of Sonic the Hedgehog, Shadow the Hedgehog, and Chaos. All three of these beings are known for being able to harness the power of the Chaos Emeralds to achieve a super powered from. And even without them, all three of these creatures innately have some sort of superior metabolism allowing them to accomplish the speed and power they poses, abnormally "super" for their size.

Maybe if Sun God was around for
scanning, then Metal Overlord
could of legitimately come to life.

In both instances, Metal Sonic transformations are the result of having access to a more potential energy source or energy system. Do any of the Boss Robots really have anything remotely applicable for Metal Sonic to scan? I think short of scanning Sun God, Ra Thor, or Gamma, (all three not in the battle, and two of them technically not even applicable) nothing mechanical on Wily side would be all that useful to provide the colossal scale energy output to function as a the proper catalyst. Copying Boss Robot energy systems would only get you a Boss Robot's engine, and multiple different engines don't necessarily work in unison for one coherent system. If it did, you would expect Metal Sonic scanning and copying any and every thing around him.

A Real Battle with Godzilla?

Towering over the city, though half that height is the lowered wings.

The Death Battle! match ended with Metal Sonic taking on his Metal Overlord form. As it was presented, this form causes him to absorb all of the Egg Fleet, and puts him in Godzilla sized proportions. Not even 1950's 50m tall Godzilla, but modern day, King Ghidorah stomping, 100m tall Godzilla. At that scale, nothing had a chance to even dent him. But how much of this is true of the power and scale of Metal Overlord?

He took up about most of the upper floor,
but that's not Godzilla sized.

If you watch the final battle sequence of Sonic Heroes (The only time the Metal Overlord appears), people with an good eye for scale will notice the inconsistent with Death Battle!'s imaging of Metal Overlord. First, Metal Overlord only assimilates the higher parts of upper deck structure of an airship to transform. In fact, during the first phase (Metal Madness), the transformation has him hard wired to the ship. This is quite different from sucking up all of the Egg Fleet.

Even with both at an angle, there
is still a fair approximation.

And if you watch the battle between the Metal Madness and Metal Overlord forms, you can see that Sonic and company are approximately the same size as Metal Sonic's Colored Core. This actually gives us a reference point for Metal Overlord's size, now that we have his relative size to a known scaler, Sonic. So taking a screenshot of Metal Overlord, cutting out the BG, and scaling to match one of the previous scale images I had made before, and we see a very telling tale of how large Metal Overlord ACTUALLY is.

Maybe I'll fix the chart to make it look better later, but it does conveys the necessary data.

With the beam a reference point,
Metal Overlord could EAT both Robotnik
and Wily with ease.

So ignoring the "fluff" that is Metal Overlord's spines, leftover power cables and wings, Metal Overlord size is actually fairly comparable to Wily Machine No. 9. This would mean Robotnik, Wily and Forte actually have a chance against the Metal Overlord. Sure, it's possible to make up a story where Metal Sonic Scanning of Boss Robots gave him more power to grow himself into a far far larger Metal Overlord. But it would be "made-up". A lot of made-up additional "facts" would be needed to accomplish what Death Battle! depicted.

With all this information, it's hard for me see how Metal Sonic could be positioned as the super vanguard of this match. From the hard numbers, his built in abilities are not up to snuff. He technically is unable to scan and gain abilities from the type of combatants he fought against. Even if you break that rule, he wouldn't have gotten anything that would let him transform into Metal Overlord. And Metal Overlord's scope is a fan-fiction interpretation at best. Death Battle! usually prides itself for it's accuracy, and I actually generally agree with their theorized outcomes. But I just don't see the facts lining up with them this time.

6 Comments

#20 link

1/19/2012 12:29:38 am

Seemed like Metal Sonic got most of his power from a combo of the emerald thingy and Roboenza (and then sucking up all the fleet things). Maybe they figured emeralds and viruses would cause crazy volatile reactions, or that it would do for Metal Sonic what the later virus does for Zero.

Mach 5 does seem pretty over the top, if Sonic's top speed is roundabout mach 1. Of course, nearly all I know of Sonic is what I've heard from you and from the Death Battle, so I'm on shaky ground to judge. I don't even get what the emerald that appeared from that enemy is supposed to do or where it came from...

About those engine values, why did you multiply them? Aren't they already comparable? The rpm is just how revved their engines have to be to generate their top power or torque, it doesn't effect the maximums as given but only the curves at which they achieve them. I think it's just 1500 ps vs 55 ps (27 times more power), or 220 kg-m vs 7.54 (29 times). Is it an overall engine efficiency? I noticed that according to your linked source, Metal Sonic's output should be 55ps @ 6800 rpm, not 600. That would mean Metal Sonic is more geared towards low-end torque (is that the better one for max speed?), while Rockman's is high-end torque. That site also says Metal Sonic has a secondary engine, guessing for electrical power since its output is given in kilowatts. My math is probably bad, but I think adding in 256 kW would make his total output closer to 400 ps? Which is still a lot less than Rock's, but it closes that gap to just 3.75 times less power. No idea how that would effect his torque measurement, my head is spinning already. All our attention to these details, and yet I have the feeling Capcom and Sega just pulled those numbers out of their behinds without much thought as to how they would translate into reality...

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1/23/2012 05:39:12 pm

Well, as far as we know Robotenza is actually detrimental to machines, so to theorized it has "power" to it is going really far on the deep end in supposition.

The green chaos emerald Metal Sonic absorbed is also not much of a substitute. Even Robotik stated that Sonic needed all seven chaos emeralds to challenge Metal Overlord, so to think a fraction of that power would be a catalyst is really stretching it.

I went ahead and corrected the article per your eagle eyes, (or rather correcting for my lazy skimming). So now with the 6800 rpm, I can see Metal Sonic being able to produce Mach 5 speeds, especially given his small and low weight body.

As for the engine values, the RPM is just as much a factor in judging the total extent of energy that's being played out. Think of it like water flow. To truly know how much water is moving (and the kinetic energy behind it), you need to know BOTH the speed the water is moving, and the amount being moved.

As for the secondary engine, the way the notation is given suggests it's not a tandem system. Similar to how Rockman has a second Right solar pile generator for the Rockbuster (see Everlasting Rockbuster Part 3: http://e-canfactory.weebly.com/1/post/2011/10/the-everlasting-rock-buster-part-3.html ) I would think the second engine is what Metal Sonic relies for his chest laser and dark shield. But as the values from the base alone suggests, it's still not likely the two would be enough to one hit KO a boss robot, at least not Napalmman given his non-susceptibility to blade and shield type weapons.

Oh, and you are right on your theory about Output and Speed. Simply put, your race car should have high output, your truck you want high torque.

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1/23/2012 05:39:13 pm

Wolv022

5/18/2015 06:43:56 am

So, I see that Mega Man is supposed to be faster based on power. But, he definitely is slower than Sonic, and Metal SOnic as fast or around SOnic in speed. So, throw out those stats. Why? Because, this is Eggman we are talking about (Or Robotnik in Archie) and he could lie, those could just be wrong, or there could simply be evidence against it, like that which I presented. So, sometimes you have to pick out the better evidence. But, anyways, Death Battle has said that they often use stuff in the battle purely for entertainment, with the first part being serious. But, the giant Metal Overlord could creatd by absorbing more than the deck, but whoel ships of the Egg Fleet. So viable. Still don't like them on some decisions (GOKU!! !NOOooooooOoooo....ooooo....ooo.. *sobs*)

Plus, as said by others, he absorbs an Emerald, so he gets stronger, plus he could theoretically copy abilities based on observation. So, this is pretty ok.
Also, comparisons of Modern SOnic and Classic Sonic based from Generations(I think) put Modern at about 5 '10. Or 177.8 cm. Now, Sonic has never been depicted taller than MM, and MM has sometimes been depicted taller than other times, so, Mega Man may have been iven a taller slimer body later on. Maybe, Sonic and MM's heights are melarky. Maybe their heights are close enough and it doesn't really matter, because most people think of Death Egg Robo as bigger. If it weren't for the Archie crossover not being out then, then I would think the Egg-Wily Machine X. but it wasn't out so it couldn't be the reason... Oh well. Point is, the Metal Sonic stuff is somewhat believeable. And the Egg Robo and WM9 doesn't really affect it.

Gauntlet101010 link

1/19/2012 01:41:56 pm

Yeah, the whole Metal Sonic thing seemed like a real stretch. It's not like Megaman or Bass ever got THAT MUCH power from absorbing all the boss weapons.

I guess it's a cop-out way of ending the match on a tie.

Natevirus

9/26/2012 02:42:40 pm

Yeah the size was extremely exaggerated. Though be honest the true extend of Metal's copying ability has never been officially established from what I can tell. It has been assumed (assumed, not confirmed so it could go either way) that in Sonic Heroes, he copied the data of all the teams and their members, which would include Team Dark, which does have a robot in it. Still, may not have gone to that detail but just a possibility.
Granted it probably wouldn't play out like he was Megaman in Sonic form like it did in the video. And the engine power comparison you made does make sense. Though I guess in Neo Metal Sonic form (assuming he still has Chaos' data) it may increase then, but when you consider all these facts, it is very sloppy.
In the end, I think Metal was probably over-exaggerated in the battle. Even if he ended up being the last one standing, it would have taken a lot longer at least and he wouldn't have scanned and copied all that quickly. I guess it was due to limited timing and animation/sprites.

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